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There's just not that much to talk about and I want to make sure I didn't miss anything this time. Expect this post to be as large as the previous ones, if not even bigger. I apologize if that's inconvenient for you, but it just feels right this way. As always, I hope it's not that bad to read.
WARNING: This post is definitely the long one. My apologize if that's inconvenient for the third time I decided that it's time to go in fully. Grab your tea, coffee or whatever you wanna drink with food you wanted to eat and get ready for a huge wall of text ahead. Like in "What about... Samwise Didier?", there're some quotes from interviews and what not written one-by-one from the source. I understand that these quotes might look a bit messy due to me not really correcting the text for more pleasant reading, but it just feels right to go in this strange route.
Hypocrisy of the Developers.Developer Update articles from Blizzard served as one of the main sources of my inspiration for writing this particular post. Some aspects of them really caught my attention, such as mentioning of "legacy version of Warcraft 3". What a cheesy way of maintaining, sadly, common misconception that Warcraft 3 Reforged isn't a remasteupdate of Warcraft 3, but more of a remake/"new product" among those who still believes it. This perspective lowers players expectations from Blizzard when it comes to the future of Warcraft 3. By establishing Reforged as a separate game instead of the next step in Warcraft 3's lifespan, people that fell for it would tend to be less demanding and more acceptable to Blizzard's decision making and slow pace of delivering those changes with bug fixes. Actually, they did it all the way back in February 4 in Developer Update on Warcraft 3's forums by using such terms as "original Warcraft 3" and "original game".
When you read all these articles and posts from Blizzard where they talk about "preserving the true spirit of Warcraft 3", you would think that phrases like this supposed to sounds exciting and inspiring. Knowing that Blizzard respects Warcraft 3 and wants to make sure that its legacy remains the same... Except you know that's a lie. Let's just be me honest here and agree that Classic Games Team didn't really bother about preserving Warcraft 3. They still don't, really. Otherwise, they wouldn't:
From Back2Warcraft interview at Blizzcon 2019:
Jannes Tjarks: "What part of the development of Warcraft 3 Reforged was the most tedious?"In "What about... Reforged?" I concluded that Classic Games Team's choices were based on setting their bars too high, while also choosing the wrong way to approach this project. I said that it's very unlikely that they wanted to put Warcraft 3 in a state that it is right now, but it's not that surprising to see some people think otherwise. When you compare how members of Classic Games Team talk about the legacy of Starcraft and Warcraft 3 during the development of their remasters, it's surprising to see a different tone between projects. Here's what Pete Stilwell said in an interview about Starcraft:
"...so moments like that added clarity of, like, what we have to do right and what do we have make sure to maintain because this is like a classic car, right? Where there are certain elements that define what it is that you don't want to change just because you have modern engines and modern brakes, and things like that doesn't mean we should, we should do that and that those trips that we took that we've taken, I think, eight trips to Korea over the past year. You have added that clarity of 'don't mess with the gameplay'. It's okay that Dragoons are derpy and, and that occasionally a Reaver shot won't go off. Like, those are things that make the game exciting. Those are the things that, that separate a really great player from a mediocre one and so we started there with just 'don't touch the gameplay', 'leave it alone', but it's, it's not just that.It's really nice to read or hear these words because in moments like this makes you convinced that Classic Games Team truly cares about their work. That they have this everlasting passion and spirit that seems to be mostly absent among current developers and workers of Blizzard Entertainment. Now, I want to bring you back to more "recent" and relevant to us theme. To Blizzcon 2018 and 2019:
Grubby: "I understand that Warcraft 3 was Blizzard's first 3D game. Now you see that. *laughs*
Brian Sousa: "So, the, the most we had to focus on where there's basically, um... looping animations that you can interrupt. Like, if you're just standing there and you do a walk then it'll interupt the stand and you'll start walking. But there's certain things like that are uninterruptible, like the attacks. So, like at a certain time in the attack is when the damage happens and so that has, that animation has to play at least until that point you need to watch it, but after that, because the rest of the animation is just him like resetting into his stand, we had a little bit of leeway on the timing of that, so we could make it a little bit longer to make it a little more natural when he's coming back into his resting state versus before. Like, the, the animations were so quick that it just looped, it just went back to stand really fast \thinks* and when the art was so, like... I don't know, um...* *giggles* low quality?" *laughs*Visual Comparison from \"Warcraft 3: Reforged What's Next\" Panel from Blizzcon 2018.
Recreation of Visual Comparison from Blizzcon 2018. Made by StormKnight.
Quite a drastic change of narrative, isn't it? From "having modern technology doesn't mean that you should use them" to "Oh yeah, we have all this new and cool fancy stuff. Just look at how funny Arthas looks. 'Old art', am I right?" with occasional laughs from developers on the stage here and there. Some might say that it's just a silly acting to play along with the audience they had targeted with Reforged and you might be right in some way. What I want to know is who and why decided to go on like that.
Truth is, Warcraft 3's legacy has been damaged severely. Right now, when someone refers to Warcraft 3 in video or text materials, being it some news article or YouTube video, they're using Reforged as the visual reference. The problem isn't just broken promises and high expectations that weren't met. It's also about these promises and expectations being unhealthy for good old Warcraft 3. Consequences of these decisions echoes through its legacy and each day it's only getting worse.
Pete Stilwell: "So... Understand that's part of our dialogue, guys. Like, we're, we're open to being wrong and we want to share that, and we want to hear from you guys when we are..."I will. That's why I'm here.
Recognizing a Foreshadowing.Previously I talked about how some minor group of people advocated for adding some certain features that would ultimately transform Warcraft 3 into another Starcraft 2 and why it's as bad as it sounds. I also slightly mentioned how planned cutscenes were similar to what Starcraft 2 has. What I forgot to mention is how, unironically, current situation was the best of the worst possible outcomes for Warcraft 3. If old vision of Reforged had persisted or if its current iteration would've been carried by successful release, who knows how much of a Warcraft 3 would've been twisted, changed or removed in favor of something generic, alien to the original, even inferior.
Warcraft 3: Reforged Player Profile. Taken from Blizzard.
I didn't plan to come back to this topic as I thought that I touched it well enough in my previous post. However, Blizzard themselves reminded me about this "issue" by confirming my concerns in one of their "recent" posts. That's right, I'm talking about Ranked Play. I think it's not a mystery that future Reforged version of ranked ladder is quite similar to the one from... You guessed it, Starcraft 2. It would've been nice to compare it with Starcraft Remastered, but I'm not sure if Starcraft ever had a Ranked Play originally (or officially), as I couldn't really find any information regarding that. Interestingly enough, that ladder doesn't look like a direct copy of Starcraft 2's system. Maybe it's similar in some way if you look more closely, but I'm not gonna pretend that I'm an expect here.
Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne Player Profile. Taken from Gaming Tools.
I would've preferred if ladder system (or any other aspect of Warcraft 3) wasn't changed so drastically from what it was officially. Address the experience decay from the past version of ladder that activated if you wasn't active in Warcraft 3 for a week? Perhaps. They should've kept the basis of the old Warcraft 3 ladder intact: tweak and polish it here and there instead of replacing it with straight away. If the majority of "Warcraft 3 Ranked audience" are happy/satisfied by this version of ladder and believe that it's better than how it was originally, okay. That's completely fine. I respect your opinion and don't want to question your expertise here. However, I'm very concerned about Warcraft 3's legacy and I want to save the little of it that's left untouched as well as recover the casualties. This might doesn't seem like a big deal in the great scheme of things, but sometimes problems like that start small.
Growing the Roots of Damnation.Modding is cool. I wouldn't say that this time of content is my thing (at least recently), but it's always quite interesting and fascinating to see what this part of game's community comes up with. Some examples of games with a wide variety of modifications are DOOM, Quake, Minecraft and, of course, Warcraft 3. From icons to models, maps, campaigns and even something more. In all 18 years of its lifespan, Warcraft 3 received a lot of different creations of different types and various scales, quality and genres from its players. I already talked about how some Blizzard's choices during Reforged's development and the consequences of its existence directly affected the work of modding community in a very negative way.
Luckily, some bits of Warcraft 3 community are still prevailed against all odds of a grim present. That also includes a selection of content creators and by that I mean the creators of custom maps and other modding stuff, like icons, models and much more. I mean, World Editor side of things is reportedly "not as bad as it could've been" and in some aspects are even nice. Not to say that everything is perfectly fine, but there's more room for some positivity and that's actually great.
Despite all that, I want to dedicate some words towards a few modding projects which has a negative impact on Warcraft 3 in its current shattered state. I want to make it clear that this is not me going after the authors of these creations in some type of merciless rampage. I admire their creativity and respect all the hard work and passion they're putting into their work. Don't want to discourage them from doing their thing or you from enjoying this type of content. There's a room for any type of content in this modding field. However, I believe that it's important to point out certain issues that these modifications are bringing into Warcraft 3 nowadays.
We'll start with Quenching. This mod is a program that aims to change Warcraft 3: Reforged graphics to make them look and feel of Blizzcon 2018 version. More realistic and pale picture, UI similar to one from Blizzcon 2018 and other graphical features. In original description and view of some people, Quenching suppose to "enhance" Reforged's graphics. I'm not putting that word in quotes to disrespect creators of that mod or anyone who enjoys it, but because this "enhancement" is an even more drastic discrepancy from Warcraft 3's art style and design. In current environment that surrounds this game, mods like this do more harm than help due to normalization of Blizzard's wrongdoings, slow updates from them and their lack of capacity (and/or will) to fix those mistakes. This mod doesn't fix these issues. It celebrates them by embracing it in much larger scale.
Another mod I'm going to mention is Re-Reforged. Only Prologue chapters has been updates so far, but I believe that author's goal is to change all main campaigns to match something that's more close to Blizzcon 2018 and show what could be done with all this stuff. There're no changes to the story, which is, honestly, a very good thing. From gameplay standpoint this mod could also turn out pretty interesting. Despite this, going back to Blizzcon 2018 vision and reminding a certain audience about what could've been isn't exactly a good idea. When it comes to the ideas for the campaigns of that time, it's about denying new players to experience and learn about Warcraft 3 as we know it. Which is hilarious, since remastering the game is about the exact opposite. With some tweaks here and there, sure, but it's still about providing this classic experience in updated look that stays true to the original.
Now imagine a darker timeline where Classic Games Team's mistakes have reached Warcraft 2 and given it the same "Reforged treatment". That's what Chronicles of the Second War is... Jokes aside, it's actually not that bad. Just yet another Warcraft 2 project that focused on "reforging" Tides of Darkness campaigns and taking inspirations from Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft to certain aspects of it, such as gameplay and story/lore. They're talking about keeping Warcraft 2 aesthetic with their models, which isn't really possible when you're trying to keep Reforged aesthetic as well. It's only one or another and, honestly, latter mostly prevails here. I would say they have more success with buildings, which is quite impressive. Either way, it's just another Warcraft 2 project that I brought up as an example of how Reforged with previously mentioned issues can affect more niche (or any other type of) custom content. Good luck to all of these authors in their work on all this custom content.
Screenshot from \"Chronicles of the Second War - Official Trailer\".
To be fair, there's another side to this subject. With community focusing on this type of content, it opens a way for Blizzard to move forward and do the right thing for Warcraft 3 in best case scenario. It's exactly what's going on with Co-op maps and it should stay that way. Although then you can point out the existence of "officiality syndrome", as one of my friends called it. Certain players tend to neglect various custom maps and campaigns that offer a type of content they demand because it doesn't come from Blizzard themselves. Sometimes they brought up various arguments for it, but usually it all comes down to "it's not from Blizzard, therefore it's not good/worth my time". It's like complaining in the shop because they're out of cheese when it fact they just don't have this specific and expensive brand that's not quite better than other types of cheese on shelves. Reason for that is it being a community work. There's no barrier between players. No informational filters based on some corporate restrictions or anything like that. They're dedicating more time and soul not only in the work itself, but also in discussion surrounding it because nobody can stop them from that... Except various obligations in real life, but I think you're getting my point.
Bright Intermission.Before moving on, I wanted to take a step back and redirect our attention to something more positive... for the most part. It's not secret that Patch 1.32 caused a lot of technical issues with Warcraft 3 that Blizzard are still trying to resolve. "Recently" they fixed some of them, such as (Some changes doesn't get documented in patch notes for whatever reason):
Reign of Misery.One of the worst things that could happen within Warcraft 3 community is people getting used to Reforged. In fact, I started to notice how some players started to do that and it's truly frightening. They're giving up on the game and move on, get desperate to the point where they ask Blizzard to "at least do that one thing", forcing themselves to get to Reforged and work with what they have, etc.
I've kept a somewhat close eye on community in some places and it feels like a lifeless wasteland full of sadness and sorrow where a few shattered groups just waiting for their demise. This community had Warcraft 3 for around 18 years now. It has been a part of it legacy just as much as any other aspects of this game. It's really sad to see what kind of a effect Reforged caused to it specifically. I would like to tell about a couple of those "shattered groups" to get some perspective on how things have been around. Of course, I won't be specific as to who, where or what I'm talking about as I don't want to turn this into stupid drama. I just want to share my experience as an observer:
You know what's funny? I don't know which of them I should take more seriously. These "spaces" share something in common and that's not being as active as they could've been. In both cases, there're groups of people that were there before, during and after Reforged's release. As other people, newcomers and even some long-time players, have moved on, these veterans have stayed here.
You know, that indicates one of the major reasons why direction to which Classic Games Team tried to move Warcraft 3 with Reforged was so wrong. They tried to appeal to newcomers and took that to extreme. Most of these players were coming from World of Warcraft and majority of them were interested in just two things: campaigns and mount from Spoils of War. After getting what they've wanted (being it Blizzcon 2018 version or current Reforged after fixes), what would these players do? That's right, most of them would've moved on. There was no need for Blizzard to impress this kind of audience with all this... fancy stuff to capture their attention at Warcraft 3. "Starcraft Remastered-like" scale of project would've been enough and nobody, except for possible minority, would've complained about art style, design, campaigns, cutscenes, etc. A true love letter to Warcraft 3 community.
Epilogue.As I was saying before, Classic Games Team could've avoided all that. Just follow the path they walked before. None of this "reimagining" business, dedication to Warcraft 3 community and staying true to this game and its expansion would've generated a lot of money and love for them. But, for whatever reason, they didn't do that. Blizzard decided to take a harder way and abandon Warcraft 3's legacy in favor of some weird mess of a remaster. Years of memories and nostalgia were ignored just so there could be created a demand for something different that shocked new crowd. Audience that didn't needed to be impressed by this realistic look and cinematic cutscenes because they would've easily enjoyed a proper remaster of Warcraft 3. Enjoyed and moved back to World of Warcraft or something.
Instead, bar that didn't needed to exist has been set. To reach it, developers ruthlessly rushed to it by neglecting and destroying everything on its way. I suppose, they truly believed that transforming the game and reinventing the wheel were worth doing. Well, they miscalculated and we all know how it went from here. Broken promises that never should've been given. Broken game with missing pieces and soul. Broken legacy that's been shattered as the community surrounding it.
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Some believe that offering "true HD models" as a bonus, similar to Cartooned, would be a good compromise between the two. I disagree. If you just push them in, nothing would change. Reforged with all its mishaps is still gonna be all what people would be think about. These models, as well as menus and all the other aspects of Warcraft 3 that has been lost to this calamity, have to claim their rightful place in order to begin the rebirth of Warcraft 3 and its legacy. Although it's not the right time to talk about it, especially due to troubled time, and this subject deserves a long post of its own. When it's gonna be a right time to take a stand for it? Perhaps after Blizzard brings back all major features into Warcraft 3 and deals with most of its current bugs.
Screenshot from \"Eternity's End\" cinematic.
Theme of "Legacy" has been something that followed each of the previous posts in this so-called trilogy: from Samwise Didier to art style and other aspects of Reforged. It seemed natural to give it a proper attention, as preservation is what really matters for Warcraft 3 now. For this whole franchise, as I watch as Blizzard continues to torn Warcraft apart by negligence towards its legacy.
And that's what I'm going to do, not that you care. I'll keep observing Warcraft 3 to see where it'll go. At least we succeeded with credits, huh? It's been such a blast to work on these posts, despite these themes being rather sad. I'm thankful to everyone who deemed them to be worth reading. Especially to those who, in one way or the other, helped me with creating these posts. As of right now, this is where it ends. Maybe I'll come back with something back eventually, but this is the end.
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